From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0001.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0002.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0003.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment.htm From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0004.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0001.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0005.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0002.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0001.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0006.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0004.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0002.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0007.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0005.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0003.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0008.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0006.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0004.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0009.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0007.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3585 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080305/80cb7d52/attachment-0006.bin From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 09:18:27 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:18:27 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> > Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition > of anything or that the logo is ugly? it is not necessarily ugly -- so it is the repetition which bothers me -- I would not put the logo of a company under each headline and subheadline of a book either (I even don't think it is a good idea to put a logo on each page of a book). > I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem > that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :) Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0005.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0010.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0008.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0006.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0011.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0009.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0007.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0012.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0010.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0008.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0013.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0011.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0009.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080314/cddc511c/attachment.htm From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0014.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0012.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0010.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080314/cddc511c/attachment-0001.htm From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 12:19:40 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:19:40 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from the title since it's now become more of a status report. Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the Emerald Isle? I agree, though. Sort of confusing. Laurie On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor wrote: > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > in a rather scary red. > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > Conrad > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. > > -- > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/ac283137/attachment.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 13:34:19 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:34:19 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! David On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the > Emerald Isle? > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > Laurie > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:13:18 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:18 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aha. Yep, that makes sense why Ireland's a different shade of green. I guess I didn't fully think that relationship through - but let me ask this: if they're not obligated to report on Ireland's weather, then, why are they using a color in the same family of colors that is otherwise displaying relevant information? In other words, why is Ireland a different shade of green? Why not make Ireland purple, for example? The other thing I sort of struggle with here is the need for two distinct levels between green (all's well) and red (run for cover), but this could be cultural, where here in the US, we have watches and warnings for both thunderstorms and tornadoes. Traditionally, they tell us that watches mean "conditions are right for severe weather to occur". Conversely, warnings mean that there is active severe weather in the area. Geographical areas covered by watches and warnings are traditionally noted by red and yellow outline and solid boxes. Here is a link (caveat: it's a live link so while it's showing boxes now, it might not be when you look): http://www.weather.com/maps/news/severewinterforecast/floater2_large_animated.html?from=hp_newsAppropriately, thunderstorms (which, in my mind, are less severe than tornadoes) are shown in yellow and tornadoes are shown in red. The net is that you have three states: normal, watch, and warning, which translate to "go about your business", "be alert for signs of change and modify your behavior if necessary" and "there is trouble now, take cover". Regardless, it's a pertinent topic today here in Atlanta where they suspect a tornado hit downtown last night with another round of storms coming through now. Laurie On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Farbey wrote: > The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not > part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is > not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. > > The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox > browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my > area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - > with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! > > David > > On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped > from > > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as > the > > Emerald Isle? > > > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > > Laurie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/1287ffcd/attachment.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 16 00:57:48 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:57:48 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability In-Reply-To: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> References: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2682824a0803151657v489a06b1o324da8accc9c06a@mail.gmail.com> Karen, thanks for the link. I have written a blog article linking this story to something Martin Cutts wrote recently (which was far more critical of readability formulas). See http://theblockheadblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/reading-by-numbers.html David On 14/03/2008, Karen Schriver wrote: > For your Friday amusement. > > It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about > debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics > just never seem to go away. > > See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a > fifth-grader? Check the formula." > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html > > You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. > > > http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ > > karen > > > > Karen Schriver, PhD > > KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. > > 33 Potomac Street > > Oakmont, PA 15139 > > 412.828.8791 > -- From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0015.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0013.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0011.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080314/cddc511c/attachment-0003.htm From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 12:19:40 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:19:40 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from the title since it's now become more of a status report. Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the Emerald Isle? I agree, though. Sort of confusing. Laurie On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor wrote: > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > in a rather scary red. > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > Conrad > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. > > -- > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/ac283137/attachment-0002.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 13:34:19 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:34:19 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! David On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the > Emerald Isle? > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > Laurie > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:13:18 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:18 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aha. Yep, that makes sense why Ireland's a different shade of green. I guess I didn't fully think that relationship through - but let me ask this: if they're not obligated to report on Ireland's weather, then, why are they using a color in the same family of colors that is otherwise displaying relevant information? In other words, why is Ireland a different shade of green? Why not make Ireland purple, for example? The other thing I sort of struggle with here is the need for two distinct levels between green (all's well) and red (run for cover), but this could be cultural, where here in the US, we have watches and warnings for both thunderstorms and tornadoes. Traditionally, they tell us that watches mean "conditions are right for severe weather to occur". Conversely, warnings mean that there is active severe weather in the area. Geographical areas covered by watches and warnings are traditionally noted by red and yellow outline and solid boxes. Here is a link (caveat: it's a live link so while it's showing boxes now, it might not be when you look): http://www.weather.com/maps/news/severewinterforecast/floater2_large_animated.html?from=hp_newsAppropriately, thunderstorms (which, in my mind, are less severe than tornadoes) are shown in yellow and tornadoes are shown in red. The net is that you have three states: normal, watch, and warning, which translate to "go about your business", "be alert for signs of change and modify your behavior if necessary" and "there is trouble now, take cover". Regardless, it's a pertinent topic today here in Atlanta where they suspect a tornado hit downtown last night with another round of storms coming through now. Laurie On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Farbey wrote: > The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not > part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is > not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. > > The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox > browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my > area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - > with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! > > David > > On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped > from > > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as > the > > Emerald Isle? > > > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > > Laurie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some topics > just never seem to go away. > > See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a > fifth-grader? Check the formula." > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html > > You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. > > > http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ > > karen > > > > Karen Schriver, PhD > > KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. > > 33 Potomac Street > > Oakmont, PA 15139 > > 412.828.8791 > -- From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0016.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0014.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0012.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > in a rather scary red. > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > Conrad > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. > > -- > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/ac283137/attachment-0003.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 13:34:19 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:34:19 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! David On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the > Emerald Isle? > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > Laurie > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:13:18 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:18 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aha. Yep, that makes sense why Ireland's a different shade of green. I guess I didn't fully think that relationship through - but let me ask this: if they're not obligated to report on Ireland's weather, then, why are they using a color in the same family of colors that is otherwise displaying relevant information? In other words, why is Ireland a different shade of green? Why not make Ireland purple, for example? The other thing I sort of struggle with here is the need for two distinct levels between green (all's well) and red (run for cover), but this could be cultural, where here in the US, we have watches and warnings for both thunderstorms and tornadoes. Traditionally, they tell us that watches mean "conditions are right for severe weather to occur". Conversely, warnings mean that there is active severe weather in the area. Geographical areas covered by watches and warnings are traditionally noted by red and yellow outline and solid boxes. Here is a link (caveat: it's a live link so while it's showing boxes now, it might not be when you look): http://www.weather.com/maps/news/severewinterforecast/floater2_large_animated.html?from=hp_newsAppropriately, thunderstorms (which, in my mind, are less severe than tornadoes) are shown in yellow and tornadoes are shown in red. The net is that you have three states: normal, watch, and warning, which translate to "go about your business", "be alert for signs of change and modify your behavior if necessary" and "there is trouble now, take cover". Regardless, it's a pertinent topic today here in Atlanta where they suspect a tornado hit downtown last night with another round of storms coming through now. Laurie On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Farbey wrote: > The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not > part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is > not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. > > The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox > browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my > area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - > with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! > > David > > On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped > from > > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as > the > > Emerald Isle? > > > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > > Laurie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/1287ffcd/attachment-0002.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 16 00:57:48 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:57:48 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability In-Reply-To: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> References: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2682824a0803151657v489a06b1o324da8accc9c06a@mail.gmail.com> Karen, thanks for the link. I have written a blog article linking this story to something Martin Cutts wrote recently (which was far more critical of readability formulas). See http://theblockheadblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/reading-by-numbers.html David On 14/03/2008, Karen Schriver wrote: > For your Friday amusement. > > It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about > debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics > just never seem to go away. > > See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a > fifth-grader? Check the formula." > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html > > You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. > > > http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ > > karen > > > > Karen Schriver, PhD > > KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. > > 33 Potomac Street > > Oakmont, PA 15139 > > 412.828.8791 > -- From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0017.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0015.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0013.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080314/cddc511c/attachment-0005.htm From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 12:19:40 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:19:40 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from the title since it's now become more of a status report. Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the Emerald Isle? I agree, though. Sort of confusing. Laurie On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor wrote: > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > in a rather scary red. > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > Conrad > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. > > -- > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/ac283137/attachment-0004.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 13:34:19 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:34:19 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! David On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the > Emerald Isle? > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > Laurie > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:13:18 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:18 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aha. Yep, that makes sense why Ireland's a different shade of green. I guess I didn't fully think that relationship through - but let me ask this: if they're not obligated to report on Ireland's weather, then, why are they using a color in the same family of colors that is otherwise displaying relevant information? In other words, why is Ireland a different shade of green? Why not make Ireland purple, for example? The other thing I sort of struggle with here is the need for two distinct levels between green (all's well) and red (run for cover), but this could be cultural, where here in the US, we have watches and warnings for both thunderstorms and tornadoes. Traditionally, they tell us that watches mean "conditions are right for severe weather to occur". Conversely, warnings mean that there is active severe weather in the area. Geographical areas covered by watches and warnings are traditionally noted by red and yellow outline and solid boxes. Here is a link (caveat: it's a live link so while it's showing boxes now, it might not be when you look): http://www.weather.com/maps/news/severewinterforecast/floater2_large_animated.html?from=hp_newsAppropriately, thunderstorms (which, in my mind, are less severe than tornadoes) are shown in yellow and tornadoes are shown in red. The net is that you have three states: normal, watch, and warning, which translate to "go about your business", "be alert for signs of change and modify your behavior if necessary" and "there is trouble now, take cover". Regardless, it's a pertinent topic today here in Atlanta where they suspect a tornado hit downtown last night with another round of storms coming through now. Laurie On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Farbey wrote: > The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not > part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is > not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. > > The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox > browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my > area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - > with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! > > David > > On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped > from > > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as > the > > Emerald Isle? > > > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > > Laurie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some topics > just never seem to go away. > > See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a > fifth-grader? Check the formula." > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html > > You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. > > > http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ > > karen > > > > Karen Schriver, PhD > > KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. > > 33 Potomac Street > > Oakmont, PA 15139 > > 412.828.8791 > -- From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0018.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0016.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0014.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > in a rather scary red. > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > Conrad > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. > > -- > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/ac283137/attachment-0005.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 13:34:19 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:34:19 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! David On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the > Emerald Isle? > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > Laurie > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:13:18 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:18 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aha. Yep, that makes sense why Ireland's a different shade of green. I guess I didn't fully think that relationship through - but let me ask this: if they're not obligated to report on Ireland's weather, then, why are they using a color in the same family of colors that is otherwise displaying relevant information? In other words, why is Ireland a different shade of green? Why not make Ireland purple, for example? The other thing I sort of struggle with here is the need for two distinct levels between green (all's well) and red (run for cover), but this could be cultural, where here in the US, we have watches and warnings for both thunderstorms and tornadoes. Traditionally, they tell us that watches mean "conditions are right for severe weather to occur". Conversely, warnings mean that there is active severe weather in the area. Geographical areas covered by watches and warnings are traditionally noted by red and yellow outline and solid boxes. Here is a link (caveat: it's a live link so while it's showing boxes now, it might not be when you look): http://www.weather.com/maps/news/severewinterforecast/floater2_large_animated.html?from=hp_newsAppropriately, thunderstorms (which, in my mind, are less severe than tornadoes) are shown in yellow and tornadoes are shown in red. The net is that you have three states: normal, watch, and warning, which translate to "go about your business", "be alert for signs of change and modify your behavior if necessary" and "there is trouble now, take cover". Regardless, it's a pertinent topic today here in Atlanta where they suspect a tornado hit downtown last night with another round of storms coming through now. Laurie On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Farbey wrote: > The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not > part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is > not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. > > The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox > browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my > area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - > with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! > > David > > On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped > from > > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as > the > > Emerald Isle? > > > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > > Laurie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some topics > just never seem to go away. > > See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a > fifth-grader? Check the formula." > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html > > You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. > > > http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ > > karen > > > > Karen Schriver, PhD > > KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. > > 33 Potomac Street > > Oakmont, PA 15139 > > 412.828.8791 > -- From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0019.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. 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To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0015.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080314/cddc511c/attachment-0007.htm From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 12:19:40 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:19:40 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from the title since it's now become more of a status report. Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the Emerald Isle? I agree, though. Sort of confusing. Laurie On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor wrote: > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > in a rather scary red. > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > Conrad > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. > > -- > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/ac283137/attachment-0006.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 13:34:19 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:34:19 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! David On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the > Emerald Isle? > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > Laurie > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:13:18 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:18 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aha. Yep, that makes sense why Ireland's a different shade of green. I guess I didn't fully think that relationship through - but let me ask this: if they're not obligated to report on Ireland's weather, then, why are they using a color in the same family of colors that is otherwise displaying relevant information? In other words, why is Ireland a different shade of green? Why not make Ireland purple, for example? The other thing I sort of struggle with here is the need for two distinct levels between green (all's well) and red (run for cover), but this could be cultural, where here in the US, we have watches and warnings for both thunderstorms and tornadoes. Traditionally, they tell us that watches mean "conditions are right for severe weather to occur". Conversely, warnings mean that there is active severe weather in the area. Geographical areas covered by watches and warnings are traditionally noted by red and yellow outline and solid boxes. Here is a link (caveat: it's a live link so while it's showing boxes now, it might not be when you look): http://www.weather.com/maps/news/severewinterforecast/floater2_large_animated.html?from=hp_newsAppropriately, thunderstorms (which, in my mind, are less severe than tornadoes) are shown in yellow and tornadoes are shown in red. The net is that you have three states: normal, watch, and warning, which translate to "go about your business", "be alert for signs of change and modify your behavior if necessary" and "there is trouble now, take cover". Regardless, it's a pertinent topic today here in Atlanta where they suspect a tornado hit downtown last night with another round of storms coming through now. Laurie On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Farbey wrote: > The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not > part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is > not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. > > The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox > browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my > area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - > with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! > > David > > On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped > from > > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as > the > > Emerald Isle? > > > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > > Laurie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some topics > just never seem to go away. > > See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a > fifth-grader? Check the formula." > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html > > You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. > > > http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ > > karen > > > > Karen Schriver, PhD > > KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. > > 33 Potomac Street > > Oakmont, PA 15139 > > 412.828.8791 > -- From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0020.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0018.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0016.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > in a rather scary red. > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > Conrad > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. > > -- > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/ac283137/attachment-0007.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 13:34:19 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:34:19 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! David On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the > Emerald Isle? > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > Laurie > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:13:18 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:18 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aha. Yep, that makes sense why Ireland's a different shade of green. I guess I didn't fully think that relationship through - but let me ask this: if they're not obligated to report on Ireland's weather, then, why are they using a color in the same family of colors that is otherwise displaying relevant information? In other words, why is Ireland a different shade of green? Why not make Ireland purple, for example? The other thing I sort of struggle with here is the need for two distinct levels between green (all's well) and red (run for cover), but this could be cultural, where here in the US, we have watches and warnings for both thunderstorms and tornadoes. Traditionally, they tell us that watches mean "conditions are right for severe weather to occur". Conversely, warnings mean that there is active severe weather in the area. Geographical areas covered by watches and warnings are traditionally noted by red and yellow outline and solid boxes. Here is a link (caveat: it's a live link so while it's showing boxes now, it might not be when you look): http://www.weather.com/maps/news/severewinterforecast/floater2_large_animated.html?from=hp_newsAppropriately, thunderstorms (which, in my mind, are less severe than tornadoes) are shown in yellow and tornadoes are shown in red. The net is that you have three states: normal, watch, and warning, which translate to "go about your business", "be alert for signs of change and modify your behavior if necessary" and "there is trouble now, take cover". Regardless, it's a pertinent topic today here in Atlanta where they suspect a tornado hit downtown last night with another round of storms coming through now. Laurie On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Farbey wrote: > The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not > part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is > not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. > > The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox > browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my > area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - > with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! > > David > > On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped > from > > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as > the > > Emerald Isle? > > > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > > Laurie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some topics > just never seem to go away. > > See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a > fifth-grader? Check the formula." > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html > > You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. > > > http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ > > karen > > > > Karen Schriver, PhD > > KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. > > 33 Potomac Street > > Oakmont, PA 15139 > > 412.828.8791 > -- From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0021.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0019.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0017.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > in a rather scary red. > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > Conrad > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. > > -- > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the > Emerald Isle? > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > Laurie > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:13:18 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:18 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aha. Yep, that makes sense why Ireland's a different shade of green. I guess I didn't fully think that relationship through - but let me ask this: if they're not obligated to report on Ireland's weather, then, why are they using a color in the same family of colors that is otherwise displaying relevant information? In other words, why is Ireland a different shade of green? Why not make Ireland purple, for example? The other thing I sort of struggle with here is the need for two distinct levels between green (all's well) and red (run for cover), but this could be cultural, where here in the US, we have watches and warnings for both thunderstorms and tornadoes. Traditionally, they tell us that watches mean "conditions are right for severe weather to occur". Conversely, warnings mean that there is active severe weather in the area. Geographical areas covered by watches and warnings are traditionally noted by red and yellow outline and solid boxes. Here is a link (caveat: it's a live link so while it's showing boxes now, it might not be when you look): http://www.weather.com/maps/news/severewinterforecast/floater2_large_animated.html?from=hp_newsAppropriately, thunderstorms (which, in my mind, are less severe than tornadoes) are shown in yellow and tornadoes are shown in red. The net is that you have three states: normal, watch, and warning, which translate to "go about your business", "be alert for signs of change and modify your behavior if necessary" and "there is trouble now, take cover". Regardless, it's a pertinent topic today here in Atlanta where they suspect a tornado hit downtown last night with another round of storms coming through now. Laurie On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Farbey wrote: > The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not > part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is > not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. > > The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox > browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my > area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - > with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! > > David > > On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped > from > > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as > the > > Emerald Isle? > > > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > > Laurie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/1287ffcd/attachment-0007.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 16 00:57:48 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:57:48 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability In-Reply-To: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> References: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2682824a0803151657v489a06b1o324da8accc9c06a@mail.gmail.com> Karen, thanks for the link. I have written a blog article linking this story to something Martin Cutts wrote recently (which was far more critical of readability formulas). See http://theblockheadblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/reading-by-numbers.html David On 14/03/2008, Karen Schriver wrote: > For your Friday amusement. > > It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about > debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics > just never seem to go away. > > See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a > fifth-grader? Check the formula." > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html > > You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. > > > http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ > > karen > > > > Karen Schriver, PhD > > KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. > > 33 Potomac Street > > Oakmont, PA 15139 > > 412.828.8791 > -- From robert at betre.se Sun Mar 2 15:06:00 2008 From: robert at betre.se (Robert Ziherl) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E2E27B-CBC5-4B75-B8EB-D6C0E6836DC8@betre.se> I recommend you visit typophiles forum. They will know and will almost certainly help you: -> http://www.typophile.com/ 28 feb 2008 kl. 12.38 skrev Tamasin Cole: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground > roundel as a character? I am working on a book which requires the > icon in each of something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 > Johnston underground extras, but the only roundel it contains is > one in which the bar doesn't run through the centre of the circle, > and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > ____________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ /R Robert Ziherl Betre informationsdesign Johannes Plan 5, 111 38 Stockholm Sweden +46 8 22 22 59 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080302/fb253731/attachment-0022.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 2 19:18:17 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: london underground roundel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803021018j6622b017p30fed9b77daf3003@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered contacting the media relations department of Transport for London? I found these details on their web site: pressoffice at tfl.gov.uk 0845 604 4141 David On 28/02/2008, Tamasin Cole wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which contains the London underground roundel as > a character? I am working on a book which requires the icon in each of > something around 1000 entries. I've found P22 Johnston underground extras, > but the only roundel it contains is one in which the bar doesn't run through > the centre of the circle, and which is also too heavy for my purposes. > Any suggestions gratefully received. > Tamasin > > ____________________ > -- David Farbey - david at farbey.co.uk Technical Communication and Information Design Mobile +44-(0)7879-005-946 Business +44-(0)20-3291-2991 (message service) From s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 12:30:35 2008 From: s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk (Stephen Boyd Davis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:30:35 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Reminder of call for exhibits: CREATE 2008 Design Showcase In-Reply-To: <72AAA267730626459856E36A6CC7CF991137C392B9@ex01.cueltd.net> Message-ID: Call closes Wednesday 12 March Call for exhibition proposals You are invited to submit recent and current projects now for an exhibition to be held in conjunction with this year?s CREATE 2008 Conference. + New designs for digital consumer products + Interactive services + Interaction paradigms Download the form The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ What we are looking for Exhibits may include fully working interactive systems, demonstrations or well-made video presentations. The submission of supplementary materials is encouraged to explain the design, its rationale, and any evaluation undertaken. Authors of selected projects will be encouraged to prepare a poster indicating these aspects of the exhibit and to informally explain their work to delegates during the evening between the first and second day of the conference. Proposals for exhibits may focus on any aspect of interactive design - utility or entertainment, functional or affective needs. This is an opportunity for the exhibited projects to be seen by leaders in design, human computer interaction and ergonomics. The co-sponsors of CREATE, the British Computer Society and the Ergonomics Society are the UK?s leading bodies in their respective fields, with an international reputation. Eligibility Professional and student submissions are eligible. Team submissions are welcome. The work must have been completed in the past eighteen months (at the Stage 1 submission deadline Wednesday 12th March). Work may be submitted which has already been shown elsewhere. Applicants should be aware that by exhibiting they are putting their work in the public domain which may compromise any future patent application. Please note: Projects which are in a sufficiently complete state to be exhibited are acceptable, even if not in their final form. The selectors The selection committee is drawn from experts in the fields of product design, HCI and Ergonomics. Criteria: 1. an innovative solution to a need or a potentially fruitful form of interaction 2. a sensitive and appropriate use of technology 3. the use of one or more evaluative methods (whether conventional or novel) 4. clear communication of the rationale for the work Outline of the applications and selection process The selection process is in two stages: Stage 1. Applicants should complete the attached form, describing their intended proposed exhibit. Stage 2. Short-listed applicants will be asked to produce a more detailed specification of their exhibit, detailing what they will show with space and equipment requirements. The selectors will need to take into account the practicalities of exhibiting the work as well as the quality of the submission. The organisers reserve the right to deselect any project which imposes unexpected demands in terms of exhibition. Once selected, applicants are committed to exhibiting. Support for exhibitors The following will be provided for each exhibit: + a table, some with adjacent wall-space + mains power + a wireless internet connection Successful student applicants will have their conference fees waived. Additional funds may be available to help with transportation of exhibition equipment. This will be available on a case by case basis. Important dates Submission of Stage One forms Wednesday 12th March Notification of provisional acceptance Friday 11the April Submission of Stage Two specifications Wednesday 14th May Exhibition setup Monday 23rd June from noon / early Tuesday 24th June How to submit your proposal Initial proposals must be submitted electronically. Please complete the form which is available as a Word or rich-text file and email it to the exhibition chair, Stephen Boyd Davis s.boyd-davis at mdx.ac.uk. The form can be found here: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/idc/create2008/call/ -- _____________________________________________________________ Stephen Boyd Davis Reader in Interactive Media Head, Lansdown Centre for Electronic Arts Middlesex University, Cat Hill, Barnet, Herts EN4 8HT United Kingdom Tel 44 (0)20 8411 5072 ............................................................. The Centre's Web Pages are at http://www.cea.mdx.ac.uk/ _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080304/8d1db1da/attachment-0020.htm From cmariacher at gmx.at Wed Mar 5 11:36:53 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Message-ID: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 01:37:44 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, Is the aesthetic reason for objection to the logo use the undue repetition of anything or that the logo is ugly? I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -----Original Message----- From: infodesign-cafe-bounces at list.informationdesign.org on behalf of christian mariacher Sent: Wed 3/5/2008 5:36 AM To: infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design Dear Cafe, what is your view on the use of corporate-design-typefaces within wayfinding systems? I work for a client who uses Arial -- I don't want to use this for my wayfinding design on the grounds that Arial needs more space than other alternatives (however, I must admit that I am not pleased with the idea of using a mediocre copy of Helvetica for such an important task). To get through with this I am now looking for examples of (well known) companies which do not use their CD-typeface for their wayfinding system. There is also the wish to position the logo on each door-sign (which in my case are more than 1000) -- which I think is'nt a good idea either -- I find it hard to argue on a level besides aesthetical reasons. Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf at gmx From SWANSONG at ecu.edu Thu Mar 6 13:10:15 2008 From: SWANSONG at ecu.edu (Swanson, Gunnar) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:10:15 -0500 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Christian, >> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it does seem? >> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? > ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA gunnar at gunnarswanson.com +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: swansong at ecu.edu +1 252 328 2839 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3221 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080306/ac5d39b2/attachment-0018.bin From ukuld at online.no Thu Mar 6 15:01:29 2008 From: ukuld at online.no (Ole E. Wattne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <77890F36-D6B1-4584-AEA3-E5276463B20F@online.no> Some immediate thoughts around this issue: The College were I work has Baskerville and Bell Gothic as corporate fonts, and neither are arguably especially suited for signaged within a wayfinding system due to variations in stroke widths and other factors which does not lead to optimal legibility for this purpose. In the current wayfindingproject that my students are undertaking I am therefore asking them to breach the "branding regulations" and suggest other typefaces that are more suitable. As I see it, the agency which developed the brand for the college, did not include signage in the brand and there are strong arguments for NOT using the corporate fonts. If the brand includes fonts that meet the basic requirements for signage, then I think one should stick with them regardless of one?s "pet aversions". When it comes to putting the logo on every sign, I find that idea too repetitous ? wouldn?t that be overdoing the brand a bit? Colour, typeface (!) and other designelements should be enough to maintain corporate identity within the signage system. Ole E. Wattne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gj?vik University College tel: +47 61135415 mob: +47 93 44 58 85 ole.wattne at hig.no www.hig.no Den 6. mar. 2008 kl. 13.10 skrev Swanson, Gunnar: > Christian, > >>> I can't defend Arial as the choice of corporate typeface but it >>> does seem? >>> that a wayfinding system should be part of a company's image.?? >> ... ? that's exactly what I'm am trying to get my head around :)? > > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the > overall brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really > an important part of the organization? That the organization's > image is trivial bullshit and your work is the only functional and > important thing being done? (If so, what other activities are too > important to be subsumed by the branding?) > > Gunnar > ---------- > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville, North Carolina 27858 > USA > > gunnar at gunnarswanson.com > +1 252 258 7006 > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > at East Carolina University: > swansong at ecu.edu > +1 252 328 2839 > > _________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Use the following address to post a message to all subscribers: > infodesign-cafe at list.informationdesign.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your options, visit: > http://list.InformationDesign.org/mailman/listinfo/infodesign-cafe > > For all Information Design matters: > http://InformationDesign.org > > Problems? Write to: > InfoDesign-Cafe-Admin at list.InformationDesign.org > ___________________________________________________________________ From cmariacher at gmx.at Thu Mar 6 17:34:16 2008 From: cmariacher at gmx.at (christian mariacher) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:16 +0100 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Branding Considerations in Wayfinding design In-Reply-To: <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> References: <20080305103653.164970@gmx.net><556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F349@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> <20080306081827.68160@gmx.net> <556BA53FA6DBA14CBD1605F1735C0FEC76F353@ecufs9.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <20080306163416.98830@gmx.net> > If you say that wayfinding is exempt from consideration in the overall > brand or image, what does that mean? That it isn't really an important part of > the organization? That the organization's image is trivial bullshit and > your work is the only functional and important thing being done? (If so, what > other activities are too important to be subsumed by the branding?) I am grateful for Ole's answer as it confirms that there ARE good reasons (x-height, sans-serif, little contrast of stroke etc) for -- at least -- being allowed to ask my question. And I am well aware that within this legibility-on-signs-issue Arial is not an invalid choice for a wayfinding system and that there is a good chance that my thought of replacing it was vain and silly. BUT: Your (slightly polemical) answer puts the whole discussion on a more general level and me in a position to argue as such: of COURSE eg Frutiger is more legible on signs than Garamond Italic (regardless of whether the latter is a CD font) and of COURSE I agree with Ole when he was looking for a more legible alternative to typefaces which are not suitable for the task of helping people find their destination in an unfamiliar environment (I cannot say whether this is the "ONLY important thing being done" -- but I do know that this one is important). Christian -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From kschriver at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 17:18:33 2008 From: kschriver at earthlink.net (Karen Schriver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability Message-ID: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> For your Friday amusement. It's tax time again and newspaper reporters are coming up with stories about debt, finance, and yes, strangely enough, about readability. Some topics just never seem to go away. See the "Numbers Guy" Carl Bialik's column, "Can you read as well as a fifth-grader? Check the formula." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545556425235249.html You might want to post your thoughts to the Numbers Guy Blog. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/do-readability-formulas-work-297/ karen Karen Schriver, PhD KSA Communication Design & Research, Inc. 33 Potomac Street Oakmont, PA 15139 412.828.8791 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080314/602990c3/attachment-0010.htm From conrad at ideograf.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 14 17:59:59 2008 From: conrad at ideograf.demon.co.uk (Conrad Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:59:59 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings Message-ID: The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly in a rather scary red. It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). These may be viewed across the top of this page: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. Conrad * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080314/cddc511c/attachment-0010.htm From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 12:19:40 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:19:40 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from the title since it's now become more of a status report. Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the Emerald Isle? I agree, though. Sort of confusing. Laurie On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor wrote: > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > in a rather scary red. > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > Conrad > > > * Apologies to Wm. 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URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/ac283137/attachment-0009.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 13:34:19 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:34:19 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! David On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped from > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as the > Emerald Isle? > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > Laurie > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. Blake. -- > > > > > > From laurie.gray at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:13:18 2008 From: laurie.gray at gmail.com (Laurie Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:18 -0400 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Not-so-severe weather warnings In-Reply-To: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2682824a0803150534p31c137ddma2ad333dff9c539f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aha. Yep, that makes sense why Ireland's a different shade of green. I guess I didn't fully think that relationship through - but let me ask this: if they're not obligated to report on Ireland's weather, then, why are they using a color in the same family of colors that is otherwise displaying relevant information? In other words, why is Ireland a different shade of green? Why not make Ireland purple, for example? The other thing I sort of struggle with here is the need for two distinct levels between green (all's well) and red (run for cover), but this could be cultural, where here in the US, we have watches and warnings for both thunderstorms and tornadoes. Traditionally, they tell us that watches mean "conditions are right for severe weather to occur". Conversely, warnings mean that there is active severe weather in the area. Geographical areas covered by watches and warnings are traditionally noted by red and yellow outline and solid boxes. Here is a link (caveat: it's a live link so while it's showing boxes now, it might not be when you look): http://www.weather.com/maps/news/severewinterforecast/floater2_large_animated.html?from=hp_newsAppropriately, thunderstorms (which, in my mind, are less severe than tornadoes) are shown in yellow and tornadoes are shown in red. The net is that you have three states: normal, watch, and warning, which translate to "go about your business", "be alert for signs of change and modify your behavior if necessary" and "there is trouble now, take cover". Regardless, it's a pertinent topic today here in Atlanta where they suspect a tornado hit downtown last night with another round of storms coming through now. Laurie On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Farbey wrote: > The other important point to note is that Ireland is of course not > part of the United Kingdom, and therefore reporting on its weather is > not the responsibility of the UK Met Office. But you all knew that. > > The Met Office web site offered me a "gadget" to install on my Firefox > browser, giving me instant access not only to the forecast for my > area, or other parts of the UK, but also to the shipping forecast - > with a map - so I can now see where "Cromarty" is! > > David > > On 15/03/2008, Laurie Gray wrote: > > It's interesting to see how these sorts of warnings are done elsewhere, > > Conrad. I guess I'd sort of expect the word "warnings" to be dropped > from > > the title since it's now become more of a status report. > > > > Perhaps Ireland is marked in a darker green as a nod to its status as > the > > Emerald Isle? > > > > I agree, though. Sort of confusing. > > Laurie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Conrad Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The British Meteorological Office Web site has for a couple of > > > years been in the habit of issuing severe weather warnings from > > > time to time. These warnings have been accompanied by small maps > > > in which the areas potentially affected have been marked strongly > > > in a rather scary red. > > > > > > > > > It seems that in the last couple of days a new warning system > > > has been rolled out. There is now a map for each of five days > > > (today and the next four), regardless of whether severe weather > > > is predicted or not. Areas for which "no severe weather" is > > > predicted are, as before, coloured a light and pleasant green* > > > (#C9FB32, in RGB hex-value terms). > > > > > > > > > Areas coloured in yellow (#FAFA62) are now classified "Be aware"; > > > areas marked in orange (#FF9933) are classified "Be Prepared" and > > > are presumably suitable for scouting expeditions; and areas marked > > > in red (#CC0033) are classified "Take action" (action unspecified). > > > > > > > > > These may be viewed across the top of this page: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html > > > > > > > > > I like the logical progression across the colour spectrum here, > > > with green indicating that placidity is appropriate, through > > > yellow and warning orange to a dangerous red. > > > > > > > > > How one extrapolates from these values, I don't quite know. > > > The Republic of Ireland is indicated in a slightly darker and > > > even more restful green (#98CB00); I guess this indicates that > > > residents of Ireland are expected to display complete somnolence. > > > > > > > > > Conrad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apologies to Wm. 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URL: http://lists.webtic.nl/pipermail/infodesign-cafe/attachments/20080315/1287ffcd/attachment-0008.htm From david.farbey at googlemail.com Sun Mar 16 00:57:48 2008 From: david.farbey at googlemail.com (David Farbey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:57:48 +0000 Subject: InfoD-Cafe: Wall Street Journal Discusses Readability In-Reply-To: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> References: <300805C8-A4E3-4774-A475-C552DFE54423@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2682824a0803151657v489a06b1o324da8accc9c06a@mail.gmail.com> Karen, thanks for the link. I have written a blog article linking this story to something Martin Cutts wrote recently (which was far more critical of readability formulas). See http://theblockheadblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/reading-by-numbers.html David On 14/03/2008, Karen Schriver wrote: > For your Friday amusement. > > It's tax time again and